Impeachment

[Mr. White]

Call Congress Today for Impeachment

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on who and for what

[kolpaz]

haha, just in general i guess

[kolpaz]

anyone see the youtube debate?

[Mr. White]

He lied Iraq had no Weapons of Mass destruction.

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Get a life and learn that an actual crime has to be commited before you can bring impeachment charges against someone. Clinton actually lied to a grand jury. Last time I checked perjury is a federal offense. While Bush may not make you happy and you may think that he lied, maybe he actually did, it's not for me to say, he hasn't committed an actual crime. Regardless he didn't lie under oath, so there are no grounds for impeachment.

[Mr. White]

I have a life reload www.downingstreetmemo.com

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At least you know how to find propoganda on the Internet. If there were enough compelling evidence to bring impeachment charges up it would have happened already given the Democrats "control" Congress and the media always looking for a new angle to make Bush look as bad as possible.

Let me know how the impeachment argument works out for you. Maybe you can find Jimmy Hoffa while your at it. I think there is probably a website out there that says he is living with Elvis on the same sound stage where they filmed the moon landings.

[Mr. White]

Clinton got a blow job in the oval office, I'm sure it wasn't a "first", nor will it be the last. Bush lied to the American people and got us into an unjust war. Why don't you get a brain? Start thinking for yourself and stop acting like a robot. If you feel so strongly about this war and agree so freely with bush and his policies, why haven't you enlisted? What are you doing here?

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Clinton didn't get impeached for getting a blow job. He got impeached because he lied under oath to the grand jury about getting a blow job. I think you are missing the point. Whether Bush lied or not, he did not do it under oath and it has not been proven that he has done anything outside of his constitutional powers. Until he lies under oath or it is proven that he has done something illegal, he will not be impeached. Why do you think Congress has not pursued it? There is either no evidence or at least nothing compelling enough. If you were a career politician, how would you like to be the one who pushed for impeachment and fall flat on your face? It would be a very high profile situation, that if it were to fail, would most likely cost you your job and ruin any influence you may have had, not to mention your ruined legacy. I don't know many politicians that would sign up for that.

I don't really think it makes me a robot just because I don't agree with you. However, your entitled to think what you like. I do find it comical that you automatically conclude that I support the war, when your original post was about impeachment. Granted, your motive for suggesting impeachment is directly related to the war, but my response was only based upon the feasibility for impeachment. I have a political science degree, so I have studied the subject just a tiny bit. Whether I support the war or not was never in play.

[Mr. White]

bush is the worst president in the history of this country........he changes the constiution, wiretaps, lies about weapons of mass destruction, controls our media, attacks a country that didn't attack us just to make a point to his daddy and to gain control of their oil, causes the death and suffering not only to American troops, but innocent civilians, not to mention its cost. He couldn't even help Americans during Katrina............do you feel safer? I don't.
We are hated round the world now because of him and his policies. He doesn't think of himself as president, he is "King George"
I guess we can agree to disagree, thats what this country is all about, I just hope it stays that way and we don't lose that freedom next.

[kolpaz]

I'm not a bush fan by any means, however.......

When we actually went into Iraq, the vast majority of americans were for the invasion while being presented the same information that supposedly was presented to President Bush. Now it's easy for us to change our minds, but not so for little Georgie.

Also, to hell with the katrina victims, they were given days notice to leave, and refused. Now I know there probably were a few that couldn't for whatever reason, but then again there are people unjustly dying daily that we don't hear about because it doesn't make for an interesting nightly news piece. I lost most of whatever sympathy I might have had when I saw reports of helicopters being fired upon, and looters bypassing food & necessities to pick up booze and firearms (and nice new TV's).

Also (again), if we're controlling the oil, then where are the sub dollar prices we saw during the last time we actually had impeachment proceedings?

I sincerely hope that someone from either party steps out of the crowd with some solid policy, and redirects this country. I've watched a bit of the debates & news coverage, and hear alot of the same retoric, well except for the one democratic candidate who is claiming he'll institue repirations for slavery, because, well, that's exactly what this country needs to turn itself around.

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Well said Kolpaz.

While Bush does have his issues, I don't think he is the worst President ever. That distinction probably goes to Carter. Who wants double digit inflation? Apparently he did.

Anyway, the majority of the issues we have in my opinion are stemming from Congress not being able to get their heads out of their collective asses. They would rather complain about Bush or each other than trying to do anything worthwhile that may be for the benefit of the country.

[Mr. White]

http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=07/08/06/1340209

[okmister1]

Hey White, try thinking for yourself and putting an idea in your own words instead of posting links to what other people have to say or spouting slogans.

Bush Changed the Constitution?!?! WHEN? What ammendment did he get pushed through? I don't remember any. As a matter of fact, the President can't change the Constitution. Get your facts straight.

The Downing Street memos have never actually been displayed in origional have they. Last I heard, the newspaper people claimed to have transcribed the origionals and destroyed them so the government couldn't trace the source by examining the actual documents.

The so called lie about WMDs would be difficult to prove since multiple intelligence agencies around the world believed that it was at the very least likely that Iraq had them. Are you going to claim that Bush made them lie to their own governments as well? And we couldn't verify the intelligence one way or another because Saddam had thrown the weapons inspectors out years earlier. A violation of the 1st Gulf War agreements Saddam signed to stay in power. We were justified in attacking Iraq the day those inspectors were made to leave.

Some like to claim that Bush claimed that Iraq was behind 9/11. Unfortunately for those idiots, he's actually on the record as denying that Iraq was behind 9/11. Though he did and still does state that Hussein had ties to Al Quaeda and it's operatives.

And Saddam did support other terrorists. He paid rewards to the families of suicide bombers in Israel. We captured one of the Terrorists responsible for the Achille Lauro Hijacking in Iraq immediately after the invasion. A man responsible for the death of an American citizen.

What about the famous "What I didn't find in Iraq" editorial from the ex ambassador. It actually confirms that he found that Iraqi envoys talked to Niger about getting yellowcake. They failed that time but they were trying. That was a violation of the post 1st Gulf War agreements that Iraq signed. What good old Ambassador Joe found was just one more nail in Saddams coffin, not proof that Saddam was innocent.

Saddam also imported weapons in violation of the UN embargos put in place after the first gulf war.

People argue that we should've had more approval from the UN. Kind of hard when Saddam was bribing two permanent members of the UN Security council and making millions by skimming the Oil for Food program.
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As for Katrina, I had to spend a month in that hellhole after the hurricane helping to secure it. I saw thousands of cars that were perfectly functional before they were flooded. The people sure didn't try to hard to get out. They also refused to spend their money on flood control projects that would've prevented the flooding. The Corps of Engineers had been predicting for almost 2 decades that the levees could be breached by a large storm.

Instead of helping each other they robbed everything that they could find. Apparently "ATM Inside " means loot the fuck out of my store in New Orlean. You want to know what they stole, auto parts, computers, guns, liquor, cosmetics, electronics etc. They hardly ever took off with food and when they did, the Guard and Police almost never bothered them for it.

Try thinking for yourself.

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[Mr. White]

Blah, Blah, Blah...............buy into the Bush propaganda, you are a sorry soul :(

15 of the 9/11 terrorists came from Saudi Arabia, the same people that are in Iraq killing our troops and now this president is selling them arms totaling over 20 BILLION???? Just like he tried to give away the protection of our ports to the middle east!!! HELLO?????????? Why didn't Bush attack them? Because this whole fiasco is about OIL and PROFITS..........NOTHING MORE. People like you need to wake up and smell the SELLING OUT OF AMERICA BEFORE THE SAUDI FLAG IS FLYING OVER THE WHITE HOUSE.

How American is it to say the people deserved what they got during Katrina??? Next time it might be you and your family that needs help and FEMA is a no show.....SHAME on you.

And the f--k you at the end of your rant shows your lack of intelligence, don't waste my time again.

[okmister1]

I'm still waiting for you to back up that waste of time post you started this thread with. You haven't shown a single impeachable offense. As a matter of fact, every point you've made has been shot down without even thinkin hard about it.

I was in New Orleans, I saw how they treated each other and what they did. And they got plenty of help. Within a week they had thousands of Federal troops and workers on the ground helping them out. Maybe if they'd have taken care of themselves, heeded warnings and taken precautions with their infastructure, they wouldn't have been in so much trouble in the first few days while the federal government mobilized to get more aid to them.

At least I stand up for my beliefs instead of just whining about them on the net. You're whining about politics on a forum based around naked pictures. Go do somthing for real. I had to drop out of a semester of college to help people in New Orleans. I've been to Afghanistan and now I'm in Iraq. Maybe you should get off your couch and do something instead of wasting time.

[Fizz]

Sounds to me like someone /coughMr.Whitecough has a case of: INTERNUTS:

The phenomenon that occurs when someone becomes a badass when addressing others on a message board.

It is a common practice for the reticent, meek, and cowardly to make bold statements, on the internet, knowing there is no way to be held accountable.

[Mr. White]

The TRUTH hurts my friend, read it and weep.
I'ts not my fault your in Iraq, blame Bush, he put you there, I'm against the war and so are the majority of Americans. Or are you working for Halliburton? Hmmmmmmmm................

Badass??? Sounds like you buy into the Bush agenda, his way or the highway, believe it or not, this is still AMERICA and EVERYONE is entitled to his or her opinion, even you red <S> You two are the ones doing the name calling which shows a lack of maturity on your parts, tsk, tsk.

[Mr. White]

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Articles of Impeachment

of

President George W. Bush

and

Vice President Richard B. Cheney,
Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice,
Secretary of Defense Donald H. Rumsfeld, and
Attorney General Alberto Gonzales

The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors. - - ARTICLE II, SECTION 4 OF THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA

President George W. Bush, Vice President Richard B. Cheney, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, Secretary of Defense Donald H. Rumsfeld, and Attorney General Alberto Gonzales have committed violations and subversions of the Constitution of the United States of America in an attempt to carry out with impunity crimes against peace and humanity and war crimes and deprivations of the civil rights of the people of the United States and other nations, by assuming powers of an imperial executive unaccountable to law and usurping powers of the Congress, the Judiciary and those reserved to the people of the United States, by the following acts:

1) Seizing power to wage wars of aggression in defiance of the U.S. Constitution, the U.N. Charter and the rule of law; carrying out a massive assault on and occupation of Iraq, a country that was not threatening the United States, resulting in the death and maiming of over one hundred thousand Iraqis, and thousands of U.S. G.I.s.

2) Lying to the people of the U.S., to Congress, and to the U.N., providing false and deceptive rationales for war.

3) Authorizing, ordering and condoning direct attacks on civilians, civilian facilities and locations where civilian casualties were unavoidable.

4) Instituting a secret and illegal wiretapping and spying operation against the people of the United States through the National Security Agency.

5) Threatening the independence and sovereignty of Iraq by belligerently changing its government by force and assaulting Iraq in a war of aggression.

6) Authorizing, ordering and condoning assassinations, summary executions, kidnappings, secret and other illegal detentions of individuals, torture and physical and psychological coercion of prisoners to obtain false statements concerning acts and intentions of governments and individuals and violating within the United States, and by authorizing U.S. forces and agents elsewhere, the rights of individuals under the First, Fourth, Fifth, Sixth and Eighth Amendments to the Constitution of the United States, the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, and the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights.

7) Making, ordering and condoning false statements and propaganda about the conduct of foreign governments and individuals and acts by U.S. government personnel; manipulating the media and foreign governments with false information; concealing information vital to public discussion and informed judgment concerning acts, intentions and possession, or efforts to obtain weapons of mass destruction in order to falsely create a climate of fear and destroy opposition to U.S. wars of aggression and first strike attacks.

8) Violations and subversions of the Charter of the United Nations and international law, both a part of the "Supreme Law of the land" under Article VI, paragraph 2, of the Constitution, in an attempt to commit with impunity crimes against peace and humanity and war crimes in wars and threats of aggression against Afghanistan, Iraq and others and usurping powers of the United Nations and the peoples of its nations by bribery, coercion and other corrupt acts and by rejecting treaties, committing treaty violations, and frustrating compliance with treaties in order to destroy any means by which international law and institutions can prevent, affect, or adjudicate the exercise of U.S. military and economic power against the international community.

9) Acting to strip United States citizens of their constitutional and human rights, ordering indefinite detention of citizens, without access to counsel, without charge, and without opportunity to appear before a civil judicial officer to challenge the detention, based solely on the discretionary designation by the Executive of a citizen as an "enemy combatant."

10) Ordering indefinite detention of non-citizens in the United States and elsewhere, and without charge, at the discretionary designation of the Attorney General or the Secretary of Defense.

11) Ordering and authorizing the Attorney General to override judicial orders of release of detainees under INS jurisdiction, even where the judicial officer after full hearing determines a detainee is wrongfully held by the government.

12) Authorizing secret military tribunals and summary execution of persons who are not citizens who are designated solely at the discretion of the Executive who acts as indicting official, prosecutor and as the only avenue of appellate relief.

13) Refusing to provide public disclosure of the identities and locations of persons who have been arrested, detained and imprisoned by the U.S. government in the United States, including in response to Congressional inquiry.

14) Use of secret arrests of persons within the United States and elsewhere and denial of the right to public trials.

15) Authorizing the monitoring of confidential attorney-client privileged communications by the government, even in the absence of a court order and even where an incarcerated person has not been charged with a crime.

16) Ordering and authorizing the seizure of assets of persons in the United States, prior to hearing or trial, for lawful or innocent association with any entity that at the discretionary designation of the Executive has been deemed "terrorist."

17) Engaging in criminal neglect in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina, depriving thousands of people in Louisiana, Mississippi and other Gulf States of urgently needed support, causing mass suffering and unnecessary loss of life.

18) Institutionalization of racial and religious profiling and authorization of domestic spying by federal law enforcement on persons based on their engagement in noncriminal religious and political activity.

19) Refusal to provide information and records necessary and appropriate for the constitutional right of legislative oversight of executive functions.

20) Rejecting treaties protective of peace and human rights and abrogation of the obligations of the United States under, and withdrawal from, international treaties and obligations without consent of the legislative branch, and including termination of the ABM treaty between the United States and Russia, and rescission of the authorizing signature from the Treaty of Rome which served as the basis for the International Criminal Court.

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God Bless You, okmister1! Thank you for your service and for your comments.

I agree. mr. white has yet to actually address any rebuttals to his original post with anything factual or worthwhile. He accuses you and anybody else that disagrees with him as buying the "Bush Propoganda", but yet he is the one that keeps posting links to lib propaganda pieces that have other lib propoganda pieces as the sources. Bush lied, Bush lied, he's a bad man....blah, blah, blah!

What's amazing to me is that now the Dems are quietly acknowledging that the troop surge is working, they are trying to draw attention away from Iraq by talking about potential invasion of Pakistan!? For all of the whining and crying that the dems did about how Bush and the Republican led Congress were destroying the country, they definitely haven't done anything to substantiate change, especially when it comes to earmarks for their districts. Nothing like a good museum somewhere for some obscure cause that the majority of the country could care less about.

mr. white you are more than entitled to your opinion. You are even entitled to support an impeachment campaign, regardless of how fruitless I or anyone else may feel that it is. I just question your choice of forum for trying to drive additional support. Also, 980,000 signatures really isn't that many in relation to what it would take to move it forward. That's roughly the population of one congressional district, give or take. Last time I checked you're going to need more than one district to get anything done.

Again, okmister1, thank you. And please pass along my gratitude to all of you comrades. I could never express how grateful that I am for all of your service to our nation and to others around the world.

[Mr. White]

Reload....Who attacked us on 9/11???? Please get out of the "spin zone" and be open to other opinions. Clinton got a blow job in the oval office and republicans were out to lynch him. So he lied........his sex life is his own business and between him, his wife and whatever God he believes in. What a waste of tax dollars! What about this administration? They can't even run honest, moral elections in this country and their trying to run it over in Iraq?? When did the invasion of Iraq turn from searching for weapons of mass destruction to Iraqi freedom? Our service men and women are coming home dead or with terrible injuries and can't even get the care they need and deserve because the funding has been cut by this administration. What a DISGRACE! Our main stream media is censored......freedom??? This president couldn't even get water to our own people during a disaster here at home, but can transport supplies to other countries on the other side of the globe.........something is wrong with this picture. By the way.........where is Osama bin Laden? Could he be with the rest of his family over in Saudi Arabia, the same family this administration let fly out days after the attack on 9/11 without so much as a question???? Whether you want to accept it or not, the truth is 15 of em came from Saudi Arabia.....hmmm. Of course we don't want to "offend" such upstanding "friends" of this administration....do we??? What a joke.....I smell HALLIBURTON all the WAY. PROFIT PROFIT PROFIT WITH NO CONSCIENCE. What a sad state of affairs.

[Mr. White]

And Blackwater

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It doesn't really matter what I say. You are going to take the opposing view, which is fine. Again, you are entitled to your opinion. In my opinion, you are the one taking an extremely narrow minded, one-sided take on the issues. But who am I to criticize? I am obviously not as intelligent as you.

Regardless of whether Clinton's impeachment was a waste of time and money or not, as I said before, he was not impeached for getting a blowjob. He was impeached becaused he lied to the grand jury. Perjury. Federal offense. End of story. Those are the facts. "I did not have sexual relations with that woman." That's the one that got him right there.

Did the Republicans go after Clinton? Absolutely they did. Was it the right thing to do. I really don't know. I would prefer that we not prosecute a sitting President. Doesn't really send a good message. However, they did have legal grounds to pursue impeachment.

Are the democrats going after Bush. Absolutely. They are not gaining the support and are not pursuing impeachment though, because they have not been able to establish legal grounds to do so. I am not trying to piss you off by saying this. It is just reality. Is Bush a great President? No, I don't think so. Is he a good President? Yes, in my opinion he is. He is a bit brash and arrogant and that's what rubs so many the wrong way, but given the circumstances and the state of the world, he has probably done as well as anyone else could have done.
Only time will tell.

As far as being in the "spin zone", you can believe whatever you want. I don't believe that I am. I tend to keep up on events fairly well and go and find the facts about issues I feel are important instead if just taking the popular word on it. I am at least willing to listen to all sides of the argument and I will on ocassion change my opinion if new information makes since and especially if it is fact based. Maybe, I'm wrong, and I am sure you will tell me I am, but it seems to me that you only look at the opinions that you agree with and ignore the others. I don't mean that you look at them and just disagree. You don't even look at them because you assume that they are not relevant. I don't know, just my opinion.

Go ahead and tell how everything that went wrong before and after Katrina is Bush's fault, and his alone. I am thinking about writing a letter to my local paper to condemn the mayor of my city for the oppressive heat that we have been having. It has to be his fault, or maybe it's George Bush's fault. He does have that weather machine somewhere...

Go ahead. Let me have it. Tell me how blind and ignorant that I am to everything in the world. I can take. Go ahead and continue to tell me how bad Bush is and please, continue to back it up with your "credible" sources. Or maybe, actually address some of the arguments that have been posted logically. Maybe, just agree to disagree, because obviously you are having trouble getting past the impeachment issue. It is what it is and I don't have time to keep explaining it to you if you are not going to listen.

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Reload....Who attacked us on 9/11???? Please get out of the "spin zone" and be open to other opinions. Clinton got a blow job in the oval office and republicans were out to lynch him. So he lied........his sex life is his own business and between him, his wife and whatever God he believes in. What a waste of tax dollars! What about this administration? They can't even run honest, moral elections in this country and their trying to run it over in Iraq?? When did the invasion of Iraq turn from searching for weapons of mass destruction to Iraqi freedom? Our service men and women are coming home dead or with terrible injuries and can't even get the care they need and deserve because the funding has been cut by this administration. What a DISGRACE! Our main stream media is censored......freedom??? This president couldn't even get water to our own people during a disaster here at home, but can transport supplies to other countries on the other side of the globe.........something is wrong with this picture. By the way.........where is Osama bin Laden? Could he be with the rest of his family over in Saudi Arabia, the same family this administration let fly out days after the attack on 9/11 without so much as a question???? Whether you want to accept it or not, the truth is 15 of em came from Saudi Arabia.....hmmm. Of course we don't want to "offend" such upstanding "friends" of this administration....do we??? What a joke.....I smell HALLIBURTON all the WAY. PROFIT PROFIT PROFIT WITH NO CONSCIENCE. What a sad state of affairs.


Say it with me, terrorists.

Did Iraq attack us directly? No. However, they did have a long running history under Saddam for supporting and funding terrorist activity. And given the climate after 9/11, most people felt that was a good enough reason. Everybody in Congress had the same intel that Bush had, WMD and what have you. If they changed their mind, they should take ownership of that instead of trying to push the blame off on somebody else to avoid having to take responsibility for their own actions. You can only say Bush lied so many times before it just becomes ridiculous. Believe me, if there is any positive recognition to be had they will be tripping over themselves to shout, "I voted for that!"

Man, it must be miserable to be you. So angry and hateful all of the time. I will see if there is some sort of "hug of the month club" that I can send you as a gift.

[Mr. White]

You sure read alot into the posts here, are you psychic too? With all your abilities maybe you could do something about the sorry state of the world instead of ranting and raving about me and assuming things. I think you are the one with way toooooooooo much time on your hands. What about the arms sell, the 15 terriorists from Saudi Arabia, WMD, body parts still being found from 9/11 and the lack of medical care for those poor souls that helped in the clean up, the Pat Tillman coverup........ the list goes on and on............ I could write a book! Had Bush admitted he was wrong and brought our troops home and got us out of this mess, I could at least respect him. Lots of people made the mistake, but it takes an ETHICAL and MORAL man to admit it, and I for one EXPECT the president of my country to set that example, HIM ABOVE ALL OTHERS.......... He is a Christian, right? It's obvious you are willing to accept LESS, myself and many others EXPECT more from him.

Clinton got a blow job in the oval office and the republicans wanted his head, this man has caused the death and suffering of thousands all in the name of profit, OIL profit......is it worth it? NO. His information was WRONG........ok, we all know that, now clean up the mess and get us out of there. He is the president.....right? So whats the problem? The majority of Americans want us out of Iraq, enough already

Osama bin Laden and Saddam Hussein were enemies, Hussein keep a lid on it and he was a buddy of Bush and Chaney. Why kill him and not Osama? Hmmmmmmm..........could it be the Saudi Arabia connection???? Just wondering.

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I'm glad you keep pointing out how stupid I am. I don't think I could go on without you imparting such wisdom. Oh wait a minute...am I reading too much into your statements? I hope not. Maybe I'm just too ignorant to decipher such ilk. Let me ask. Are you the pot and I am the kettle or vice versa?

I will be the first to admit that mistakes have been made. Pulling out of Iraq before they are capable of sustaining themselves would be the biggest one of all. Not only would Iraq fall apart, but the whole region would be destabilized. If you think that everyone hates the U.S. now, it would really be bad if that were to happen. That's not spin, that's just the logical progression of the line of thought.

As far as the 15 Saudis, you know bin Ladin was exiled from Saudi Arabia for a reason. He's nuts and his followers seem to have the same issue. For what it's worth, we have tried to differentiate the enemy from innocent bystanders during this war, which is extremely difficult. I don't remember getting the same courtesy on 9/11 or in any of the other planned attacks that have been carried out against our allies. We can't really hold a nation accountable for the actions of a few madmen that had not been allowed in their own country for years. Go ahead, tell me how much oil they have. I know that's the counterargument. By the way, can you tell me how many attacks there have been in the U.S. since 9/11? Wait a minute. How could that be relevant to anything?

I'll tell you what. Make a list of all of your complaints and send them to the U.S. Senate care of Harry Reid. I'm sure that he will address them as soon as he gets finished doubling the cost of a few bills with additional earmarks for something in Nevada that has no affect on either of us. Priorities and all.

Can you explain to me how I have so much free time on my hands having made eight posts, yet you have 49? Can that be right? Surely you have more important things to do than carry out political arguments here?

Oh, I promise this is the last time. Impeachment...No Legal Grounds! Call up Nancy Pelosi and ask why she hasn't pursued it.

Just tell when you are ready to agree to disagree, because I am sure I am not the only one getting bored with the same arguments over and over.

[Mr. White]

You are a very bitter soul, obviously unhappy with your lot in life. One suggestion, go on an eating binge, gain fifty pounds, then you can get out of the service and go to work for Blackwater making triple what you are making now. Lots of guys seem to be doing that, good luck my friend.

The last time I checked this was still America where people have a right to their opinions, that hasn't been taken away from us yet............has it???

You still resort to name calling, shame on you. The truth hurts and it will all come out in the wash. People like me aren't the enemy, we didn't send you there, this administration did, maybe you are the one who should be writing those letters of protest. Folks like me want an end to this senseless war. Whats so great about war? Why do we have to keep killing people, causing all this misery...... aren't we supposed to be civilized.....? At least during Vietnam Americans had the courage to protest and the people in power listened...........this one is deaf.

You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink...........

P.S.
Have you ever considered anger management, it might help.

[okmister1]

And he keeps posting about the Saudi members of Al Quaeda as if the Saudi Government is behind Al Quaeda. Completely ignores the fact that Bin Laden and Al Quaeda would very much like to overthrow the Saudi government.

Blackwater, Blackwater, Blackwater. Big fucking deal about Blackwater. They get paid good money to go overseas into a hazard zone. They don't get retirement benefits and if they don't go to the war zone, they don't get paid at all. Unlike those of us in the service who draw our paycheck and get medical, dental, housing, retirement etc.

You talk about having a concience instead of profits. Tell me this, do you support universal government healthcare? If so, maybe you should rethink that opinion in light of how well they do if for a relatively small population of vets. Or do you really think that the problems with military medicine only came up in the last 7 years?

Now, since this is a forum primarily about hot women who are nearly naked or completely so, why don't you go look at some of those threads and rub one out. Maybe you'll feel better about yourself instead of posting thread after thread about what someone else had to say and thinking you're making a difference.

[Mr. White]

You are a lost cause, keep dodging those bullets and bombs, hope you make it back, good luck.

[okmister1]

I'ts not my fault your in Iraq, blame Bush, he put you there, .


Why would I blame Bush for me being here? I volunteered for the service just like every other person in the military. I've re enlisted twice since 9/11. And I've volunteered for all three of my deployments to the middle east.

The odds of finding someone in the service who hasn't either enlisted or re enlisted since 9/11 get smaller every day. If you do, they are people who had an extremely long service obligation due to advanced training like pilots, nuclear techs or SF. And even most of them only have a 6 year obligation. That 6 years is up in just under a month.

So again

:twoup:

[okmister1]

You are a lost cause, keep dodging those bullets and bombs, hope you make it back, good luck.


At least I post my own thoughts and make my own decisions in life instead of copying and pasting someone else's thoughts.

[Mr. White]

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhh you are such a tough guy, I'm shakin in my boots..........lol. Buddy get over yourself, if you are foolish enough to enlist that many times, you are exactly where you need to be, but stop being a jerk about it. It's not all about you, you made your choice, good for you. But don't attack the rest of us that don't agree with the direction this country is going.

As far as this forum goes, this was offered here.............freedom remember that word???? Freedom

Name calling and profanity will get you nowhere.

I'm sure there are 900 numbers to help you resolve your frustration issue. Makes me wonder why you would respond to my posts if thats what you are lookin for.................hmmmmm. You wrote me, remember??????

[okmister1]

And why would you be shaking? It's not like I threatened you. Or are you that paranoid.

I'm familiar with freedom. And I do something about it in the real world. I see plenty of Iraqis who are starting to enjoy freedom. I only come on places like this for entertainment. Occasionally that can mean putting someone who can't string a coherent thought together in his place. If you could, you'd be able to reply to points that have been made showing that your copy and paste posts are empty rhetoric from incredibly biased sources.

And since you've been throwing around name calling of your own "Lost Cause" for example, you have no room to talk. You so called points often amount to no more than ad hominum attacks which hardly amount to any kind of proof.

Now run along, get a paper and pencil and try to write down your own thoughts on the issue without copying an article from someone who thought for a few seconds longer than you.

Keep in mind a few key points.

Bush didn't claim that Al Quaeda was behind 9/11, as a matter of fact, he specifically denied it. So no impeachable offense there.

Bush was wrong about WMDs in Iraq but so were Britain, Italy, Germany and Israel as well as the Clinton administration. Mistakes are not high crimes and misdemenors. No impeachable offense.

The UN passed resolution after resolution based on the origional authorization to use force during the First Gulf War requiring Iraq to meet certain guidelines. When Iraq failed, authorization for the use of force was still in place.

Iraq was a supporter of terrorists, a fact which was well documented. Less from Al Quaeda than origionally thought, BUT, this is war on terrorism no just Al Quaeda.

The Congress made regime change in Iraq a national policy during the 90's, President Clinto signed it into law. Advocating regime change in Iraq by Bush was not only not impeachable, it was the law.

Iraq had made attempts to aquire WMD materials. Those attempts were in violation of the treaties and UN Resolutions concerning Iraq. Even if unsuccessful, they had force as a consequence under international law.

Bush sent massive aid to New Orleans after Katrina. It wasn't as efficient as we would have liked in the first few days after the hurricane but it was sent. The immediate aftermath of a disaster is administered by state and local authorities until federal aid can arrive. If LA and New Orleans had maintained their infrastructure and taken heed of warnings that a hurricane was coming, they could've greatly reduced the loss of life. Blanco and Nagin bear as much or more responsibility than Bush

[reload]

Great post okmister1! Very well written and supported by fact.

Not to follow the cut and paste trend but this satirical letter was in my email and I thought it was kind of funny and fits in well with the continued conversation that we have been having:

We all have our disagreements with President Bush. Immigration, U.S. Attorney firings, Iraq, Darfur, etc., are all hot topics
these days. The following "speech" was written recently by an ordinary "Maineiac" (a resident of the People's Republic of Maine).
While satirical in nature, all satire must have a basis in fact to be effective. This is an excellent piece by a person who does not write for a living. It has been sent with the author's permission.

The speech George W. Bush COULD give:

BUSH RESIGNATION SPEECH

Normally, I start these things out by saying "My Fellow Americans." Not doing it this time. If the polls are any indication, I don't know who more than half of you are anymore. I do know something terrible has happened, and that you're really not fellow Americans any longer.

I'll cut right to the chase here: I quit. Now before anyone gets all in a lather about me quitting to avoid impeachment, or to avoid prosecution or something, let me assure you: There's been no breaking of laws or impeachable offenses in this office. The reason I'm quitting is simple. I'm fed up with you people.

I'm fed up because you have no understanding of what's really going on in the world. Or of what's going on in this
once-great nation of ours. And the majority of you are too damned lazy to do your homework and figure it out.

Let's start local. You've been sold a bill of goods by politicians and the news media. Polls show that the majority
of you think the economy is in the tank. And that's despite record numbers of homeowners, including record numbers of MINORITY homeowners. And while we're mentioning minorities, I'll point out that minority business ownership is at an all-time high.

Our unemployment rate is as low as it ever was during the Clinton administration. I've mentioned all those things before, but it doesn't seem to have sunk in. Despite the shock to our economy of 9/11, the stock market has rebounded to record levels and more Americans than ever are participating in these markets. Meanwhile, all you can do is whine about gas prices, and most of you are too damn stupid to realize that gas prices are high because there's increased demand in other parts of the world, and because a small handful of noisy idiots are more worried about polar bears and beachfront property than your economic security.

We face real threats in the world. Don't give me this "blood for oil" thing. If I were trading blood for oil I would've already seized Iraq's oil fields and let the rest of the country go to hell. And don't give me this 'Bush Lied; People Died' crap either. If I were the liar you morons take me for, I could've easily had chemical weapons planted in Iraq so they could be 'discovered.' Instead, I owned up to the fact that the intelligence was faulty. Let me remind you that the rest of the world thought Saddam had the goods, same as me. Let me also remind you that regime change in Iraq was official US policy before I came into office.
Some guy named 'Clinton' established that policy. Bet you didn't know that, did you?

You idiots need to understand that we face a unique enemy. Back during the cold war, there were two major competing political and economic models squaring off. We won that war, but we did so because fundamentally, the Communists wanted to survive, just as we do. We were simply able to outspend and out-tech them.

That's not the case this time. The soldiers of our new enemy don't care if they survive. In fact, they want to die. That'd be fine, as long as they weren't also committed to taking as many of you with them as they can. But they are. They want to kill you. And the bastards are all over the globe. You should be grateful that they haven't gotten any more of us here in the United States since September 11. But you're not. That's because you've got no idea how hard a small number of intelligence, military, law enforcement, and homeland security people have worked to make sure of that. When this whole mess started, I warned you that this would be a long and difficult fight. I'm disappointed how many of you people think a long and difficult fight amounts to a single season of 'Survivor.'

Instead, you've grown impatient. You're incapable of seeing things through the long lens of history, the way our enemies do.
You think that wars should last a few months, a few years, tops.

Making matters worse, you actively support those who help the enemy. Every time you buy the New York Times, every time you send a donation to a cut-and-run Democrat's political campaign, well, dang it, you might just as well FedEx a grenade launcher to a Jihadist. It amounts to the same thing.

In this day and age, it's easy enough to find the truth. It's all over the Internet. It just isn't on the pages of the New York Times or on NBC News. But even if it were, I doubt you'd be any smarter. Most of you would rather watch American Idol.

I could say more about your expectations that the government will always be there to bail you out, even if you're too stupid to leave a city that's below sea level and has a hurricane approaching. I could say more about your insane belief that government, not your own wallet, is where the money comes from. But I've come to the conclusion that were I to do so, it would sail right over your heads.

So I quit. I'm going back to Crawford. I've got an energy-efficient house down there (Al Gore could only dream) and the capability to be fully self-sufficient. No one ever heard of Crawford before I got elected, and as soon as I'm done here pretty much no one will ever hear of it again. Maybe I'll be lucky enough to die of old age before the last pillars of America fall.

Oh, and by the way, Cheney's quitting too. That means Pelosi is your new President. You asked for it. Watch what she does carefully, because I still have a glimmer of hope that there are just enough of you remaining who are smart enough to turn this thing around in 2008.

So that's it. God bless what's left of America. Some of you know what I mean. The rest of you, kiss off.

[Mr. White]

Bush took the American people into this fiasco based on the WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION theory..............emotions were high after the attack on 9/11, people were vulnerable, angry, all of us were. We were NEVER told we were going to war for Iraqi FREEDOM. When no weapons were found, he should have pulled out, period. I remember where he was when we were attacked, sitting in that classroom with that blank look on his face and he just kept on reading. Like he didn't have a care in the world, I will never forget it. Where was his LEADERSHIP??? We had been attacked. I realized that didn't you??? Most Americans did. What about him??? Then to find out they TRAINED here!!!! LIVED here.........who was protecting us? NO ONE!!!! Where was the FBI, the CIA????? This was on his watch, not Clintons. At least Tony Blair resigned, admitted he was wrong. Anyone can respect that.

Since when did America turn into a dictaorship, preaching to the world........Who appointed us God???? Iraq wasn't behind the attack on 9/11 and the majority of Americans know that now.

The shaking in my boots comment was a joke.........lol............laughing out loud. So please lighten up.

[okmister1]

Actually, there was a long list of reasons that were expressed by the administration and voted on by Congress. Maybe you just weren't paying attention because all you read were the headlines. But, to bring you up to date on what the reasons the goverment published were. You'll notice that the date is 2002 and all the reasons were voted on by Congress and based on prior events, law and UN Resolutions.

_______________________________________
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/10/20021002-2.html

Joint Resolution to Authorize the Use of United States Armed Forces Against Iraq


Whereas in 1990 in response to Iraq's war of aggression against and illegal occupation of Kuwait, the United States forged a coalition of nations to liberate Kuwait and its people in order to defend the national security of the United States and enforce United Nations Security Council resolutions relating to Iraq;

Whereas after the liberation of Kuwait in 1991, Iraq entered into a United Nations sponsored cease-fire agreement pursuant to which Iraq unequivocally agreed, among other things, to eliminate its nuclear, biological, and chemical weapons programs and the means to deliver and develop them, and to end its support for international terrorism;

Whereas the efforts of international weapons inspectors, United States intelligence agencies, and Iraqi defectors led to the discovery that Iraq had large stockpiles of chemical weapons and a large scale biological weapons program, and that Iraq had an advanced nuclear weapons development program that was much closer to producing a nuclear weapon than intelligence reporting had previously indicated;

Whereas Iraq, in direct and flagrant violation of the cease-fire, attempted to thwart the efforts of weapons inspectors to identify and destroy Iraq's weapons of mass destruction stockpiles and development capabilities, which finally resulted in the withdrawal of inspectors from Iraq on October 31, 1998;

Whereas in 1998 Congress concluded that Iraq's continuing weapons of mass destruction programs threatened vital United States interests and international peace and security, declared Iraq to be in "material and unacceptable breach of its international obligations" and urged the President "to take appropriate action, in accordance with the Constitution and relevant laws of the United States, to bring Iraq into compliance with its international obligations" (Public Law 105-235);

Whereas Iraq both poses a continuing threat to the national security of the United States and international peace and security in the Persian Gulf region and remains in material and unacceptable breach of its international obligations by, among other things, continuing to possess and develop a significant chemical and biological weapons capability, actively seeking a nuclear weapons capability, and supporting and harboring terrorist organizations;

Whereas Iraq persists in violating resolutions of the United Nations Security Council by continuing to engage in brutal repression of its civilian population thereby threatening international peace and security in the region, by refusing to release, repatriate, or account for non-Iraqi citizens wrongfully detained by Iraq, including an American serviceman, and by failing to return property wrongfully seized by Iraq from Kuwait;

Whereas the current Iraqi regime has demonstrated its capability and willingness to use weapons of mass destruction against other nations and its own people;

Whereas the current Iraqi regime has demonstrated its continuing hostility toward, and willingness to attack, the United States, including by attempting in 1993 to assassinate former President Bush and by firing on many thousands of occasions on United States and Coalition Armed Forces engaged in enforcing the resolutions of the United Nations Security Council;

Whereas members of al Qaida, an organization bearing responsibility for attacks on the United States, its citizens, and interests, including the attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, are known to be in Iraq;

Whereas Iraq continues to aid and harbor other international terrorist organizations, including organizations that threaten the lives and safety of American citizens;

Whereas the attacks on the United States of September 11, 2001 underscored the gravity of the threat posed by the acquisition of weapons of mass destruction by international terrorist organizations;

Whereas Iraq's demonstrated capability and willingness to use weapons of mass destruction, the risk that the current Iraqi regime will either employ those weapons to launch a surprise attack against the United States or its Armed Forces or provide them to international terrorists who would do so, and the extreme magnitude of harm that would result to the United States and its citizens from such an attack, combine to justify action by the United States to defend itself;

Whereas United Nations Security Council Resolution 678 authorizes the use of all necessary means to enforce United Nations Security Council Resolution 660 and subsequent relevant resolutions and to compel Iraq to cease certain activities that threaten international peace and security, including the development of weapons of mass destruction and refusal or obstruction of United Nations weapons inspections in violation of United Nations Security Council Resolution 687, repression of its civilian population in violation of United Nations Security Council Resolution 688, and threatening its neighbors or United Nations operations in Iraq in violation of United Nations Security Council Resolution 949;

Whereas Congress in the Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution (Public Law 102-1) has authorized the President "to use United States Armed Forces pursuant to United Nations Security Council Resolution 678 (1990) in order to achieve implementation of Security Council Resolutions 660, 661, 662, 664, 665, 666, 667, 669, 670, 674, and 677";

Whereas in December 1991, Congress expressed its sense that it "supports the use of all necessary means to achieve the goals of United Nations Security Council Resolution 687 as being consistent with the Authorization of Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution (Public Law 102-1)," that Iraq's repression of its civilian population violates United Nations Security Council Resolution 688 and "constitutes a continuing threat to the peace, security, and stability of the Persian Gulf region," and that Congress, "supports the use of all necessary means to achieve the goals of United Nations Security Council Resolution 688";

Whereas the Iraq Liberation Act (Public Law 105-338) expressed the sense of Congress that it should be the policy of the United States to support efforts to remove from power the current Iraqi regime and promote the emergence of a democratic government to replace that regime;

Whereas on September 12, 2002, President Bush committed the United States to "work with the United Nations Security Council to meet our common challenge" posed by Iraq and to "work for the necessary resolutions," while also making clear that "the Security Council resolutions will be enforced, and the just demands of peace and security will be met, or action will be unavoidable";

Whereas the United States is determined to prosecute the war on terrorism and Iraq's ongoing support for international terrorist groups combined with its development of weapons of mass destruction in direct violation of its obligations under the 1991 cease-fire and other United Nations Security Council resolutions make clear that it is in the national security interests of the United States and in furtherance of the war on terrorism that all relevant United Nations Security Council resolutions be enforced, including through the use of force if necessary;

Whereas Congress has taken steps to pursue vigorously the war on terrorism through the provision of authorities and funding requested by the President to take the necessary actions against international terrorists and terrorist organizations, including those nations, organizations or persons who planned, authorized, committed or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001 or harbored such persons or organizations;

Whereas the President and Congress are determined to continue to take all appropriate actions against international terrorists and terrorist organizations, including those nations, organizations or persons who planned, authorized, committed or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, or harbored such persons or organizations;

Whereas the President has authority under the Constitution to take action in order to deter and prevent acts of international terrorism against the United States, as Congress recognized in the joint resolution on Authorization for Use of Military Force (Public Law 107-40); and

Whereas it is in the national security of the United States to restore international peace and security to the Persian Gulf region;

Now, therefore, be it resolved by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,

[Mr. White]

One word Mike.............................OIL

[Mr. White]

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The Iraq Connection
Al Qaeda-Hussein Link Is Dismissed

By Walter Pincus and Dana Milbank
Washington Post Staff Writers
Thursday, June 17, 2004; Page A01


The Sept. 11 commission reported yesterday that it has found no "collaborative relationship" between Iraq and al Qaeda, challenging one of the Bush administration's main justifications for the war in Iraq.



Along with the contention that Saddam Hussein was stockpiling weapons of mass destruction, President Bush, Vice President Cheney and other top administration officials have often asserted that there were extensive ties between Hussein's government and Osama bin Laden's terrorist network; earlier this year, Cheney said evidence of a link was "overwhelming."

But the report of the commission's staff, based on its access to all relevant classified information, said that there had been contacts between Iraq and al Qaeda but no cooperation. In yesterday's hearing of the panel, formally known as the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States, a senior FBI official and a senior CIA analyst concurred with the finding.

The staff report said that bin Laden "explored possible cooperation with Iraq" while in Sudan through 1996, but that "Iraq apparently never responded" to a bin Laden request for help in 1994. The commission cited reports of contacts between Iraq and al Qaeda after bin Laden went to Afghanistan in 1996, adding, "but they do not appear to have resulted in a collaborative relationship. Two senior bin Laden associates have adamantly denied that any ties existed between al Qaeda and Iraq. We have no credible evidence that Iraq and al Qaeda cooperated on attacks against the United States."

The finding challenges a belief held by large numbers of Americans about al Qaeda's ties to Hussein. According to a Harris poll in late April, a plurality of Americans, 49 percent to 36 percent, believe "clear evidence that Iraq was supporting al Qaeda has been found."

As recently as Monday, Cheney said in a speech that Hussein "had long-established ties with al Qaeda." Bush, asked on Tuesday to verify or qualify that claim, defended it by pointing to Abu Musab Zarqawi, who has taken credit for a wave of attacks in Iraq.

Bush's Democratic challenger, Sen. John F. Kerry (Mass.), sought to profit from the commission's finding. "The administration misled America, and the administration reached too far," Kerry told Michigan Public Radio. "I believe that the 9/11 report, the early evidence, is that they're going to indicate that we didn't have the kind of terrorists links that this administration was asserting. I think that's a very, very serious finding."

A Bush campaign spokesman countered that Kerry himself has said Hussein "supported and harbored terrorist groups." And Cheney's spokesman pointed to a 2002 letter written by CIA Director George J. Tenet stating that "we have solid reporting of senior level contacts between Iraq and al Qaeda going back a decade" and "credible information indicates that Iraq and al Qaeda have discussed safe haven and reciprocal non-aggression." Cheney's office also pointed to a 2003 Tenet statement calling Zarqawi "a senior al Qaeda terrorist associate."

White House spokesman Scott McClellan said the commission finding of long-standing high-level contacts between al Qaeda and Iraq justified the administration's earlier assertions. "We stand behind what was said publicly," he said.

Bush, speaking to troops in Tampa yesterday, did not mention an Iraq-al Qaeda link, saying only that Iraq "sheltered terrorist groups." That was a significantly milder version of the allegations administration officials have made since shortly after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks.

In late 2001, Cheney said it was "pretty well confirmed" that Sept. 11 mastermind Mohamed Atta met with a senior Iraqi intelligence official before the attacks, in April 2000 in Prague; Cheney later said the meeting could not be proved or disproved.

Bush, in his speech aboard an aircraft carrier on May 1, 2003, asserted: "The liberation of Iraq is a crucial advance in the campaign against terror. We've removed an ally of al Qaeda and cut off a source of terrorist funding."

In September, Cheney said on NBC's "Meet the Press": "If we're successful in Iraq . . . then we will have struck a major blow right at the heart of the base, if you will, the geographic base of the terrorists who had us under assault now for many years, but most especially on 9/11."

Speaking about Iraq's alleged links to al Qaeda and the Sept. 11 attacks, Cheney connected Iraq to the 1993 World Trade Center bombing by saying that newly found Iraqi intelligence files in Baghdad showed that a participant in the bombing returned to Iraq and "probably also received financing from the Iraqi government as well as safe haven." He added: "The Iraqi government or the Iraqi intelligence service had a relationship with al Qaeda that stretched back through most of the decade of the '90s."

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[Mr. White]

http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=04/06/17/1436250&mode=thread&tid=25

[okmister1]

One word Mike.............................OIL

Two words. SO WHAT

Nothing happens in the middle east politically that doesn't involve oil or religion. So you didn't say anything at all as usual. And you still haven't countered the fact that you were wrong about WMDs being the only issue as I proved.

Instead, you fall back on cliche

[Mr. White]

NY Sun headline falsely claimed Sen. Durbin "concedes surge is working. the link http://mediamatters.org/items/200708090003

[Mr. White]

You haven't responded to one thing i've brought up either...........SOOoooooooooooo?????? The draft will be starting soon, maybe you can retire.

Hey, did ya know Bush is breaking ALL records??? He's taken more VACATIONS than any other PRESIDENT in HISTORY...........What a guy!!!!! And he's on one again...............YEEEEEEEEEHAW!!!! We're in WAR and him and the boys are on vacation. Something is wrong with this picture.
So What, RIGHT???

[okmister1]

You haven't responded to one thing i've brought up either

I quit responding because, 1. You're boring 2. It's never your points it's some article and most of them have been disproved by other sources.

[RobTek]

From up to what I read Im not even going to finish the reading the rest of this thread. However

Clinton never was impeached, he was to close to the end of his term for them to care. And frankly I didnt like Clinton either.

Bush on the other hand, is a self center, egotistical fuck up, that wouldnt have gotten anywhere in life it was not for his father. Bush should not be enlisted. He should executed publicly. His family should be barred from everything in this country, and his name should be engraved on the bottom of every toilet in the world, so everytime some one has a bowel movement, they are literally shitting on his name.

Bush has fucked this country up, made the ability for privacy less achievable. Started a blood bath in the middle of a desert, that should have been turned to glass September 12th 2001, and he insults every americans intelligence with every word that comes out of his mouth.

The rest of congress is equally just as pathetic and fucked up. We should all go into a state of Anarchy, over throw the government, and destroy everything that even resembles a government, tell the world the USA will have nothing to do with world affairs if they cannot straighten up, and we should live our lives, and forget that this poor excuse of a man is running this country, and cannot even pronounce words correctly.

It makes me sick listening to his backwards, incestral hillbilly accent address the Country, and world and even just to be on Television. He's a monkey, its a fact. And he obviously has no intelligence at all.

And to go 1 step further, anyone that quotes anything in this reply said by me, on this 24 day of August in the year 2007, and tries to argue any point other then I have just stated, is just as ignorant as Bush himself.




VOTE OBAMA!

[Filmpro101]

"Call Congress Today for Impeachment"

I always laugh when I see that...I know a lot of people dislike President Bush...some Hate him...but one thing that he hasn't done is committed a crime...he has done nothing that will convict him. I mean sure, even I (A bush supporter, which automatically makes me a right wing war monger who is brainwashed, hates illegal immigrants, doesn't believe that humans are causing global warming and would rather ride the giant wave than stop it [like we could if we wanted to], clapped when Saddam hung like yesterdays laundry, and laughed when Nancy's first attempt at change fell flat on it's ass) Well, so what? You got a ****** problem with that??? Practice what you preach, respect my opinions!!! :laught01:

I just thought that that sounded funny, anywho...ehhh, he didn't do anything illegal, sure, a lot of you hated what he did....but, you can't impeach someone just because you don't like him...doesn't work that way...so...and if it comes up or has....It's not going to be payback for Clinton, Clinton was impeached for lying under oath...not for getting a blowjob...he should have...that bitch was uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuugggglllllyyyy...

Of course, those are my opinions, I could be wrong.

[RobTek]

Heres an idea. Impeach everyone in Congress, and then destroy the White House, the Washington Monument, the And everything else that is used by the gov't and we'll be happy then.

[Filmpro101]

Heres an idea. Impeach everyone in Congress, and then destroy the White House, the Washington Monument, the And everything else that is used by the gov't and we'll be happy then.

I can't tell if you are a socialist, or a libertarian...both of whom I think are crazy. What you're describing is basically the worst condition that ones country can be in...maybe it will be cool for a little while...but, when you start running out of food, water, your electricity starts to go out because the government regulated businesses that managed those utilities have now been disbanded. Nobody wants to do it anymore, and then you start fighting amongst yourselves, because you realize that destroying the government might not have been the best idea in the world. So, either...you'll be living in a country of ruins, or a single person will come in with his army, a whole lot of money and take over the country and it will become a dictatorship...it goes on...so...you can have fun with that idea of this Karl Marx dream of yours, but, it’s not going to happen.

[RavenNeverMore]

Clinton got a blow job in the oval office, I'm sure it wasn't a "first", nor will it be the last. Bush lied to the American people and got us into an unjust war. Why don't you get a brain? Start thinking for yourself and stop acting like a robot. If you feel so strongly about this war and agree so freely with bush and his policies, why haven't you enlisted? What are you doing here?

I really shoudn't get into this, but as they say curiosity killed the cat. Anyway, Clinton was not impeached for a blow job, he lied under oath to Congress. I'm not nearly naive enough to say that Bush didn't lie to the American public, but you name one president that hasn't. Besides, the last time I checked the Constitution says nothing about lying to the public being an impeachable offense. Now if you want to point fingers about how we got into this mess, try thinking back to right after 9/11 and remember all of those Congressmen, and women, standing shoulder to shoulder on the Capitol steps chanting,"USA! USA!" I seem to remember that same Congress overwhelmingly voting to pass a resolution allowing the President specific powers in conducting a "War on Terror". Once they did that, they became just as accountable as he is. Remember, Dems and Repubs alike voted for it. Once they gave him authorization, he doesn't have to ask for permission for anything from them for anything. It's referred to as ENUMERATED POWERS, and is specifically stated in the Constitution. Maybe you should try reading it sometime...

[Filmpro101]

I really shoudn't get into this, but as they say curiosity killed the cat. Anyway, Clinton was not impeached for a blow job, he lied under oath to Congress. I'm not nearly naive enough to say that Bush didn't lie to the American public, but you name one president that hasn't. Besides, the last time I checked the Constitution says nothing about lying to the public being an impeachable offense. Now if you want to point fingers about how we got into this mess, try thinking back to right after 9/11 and remember all of those Congressmen, and women, standing shoulder to shoulder on the Capitol steps chanting,"USA! USA!" I seem to remember that same Congress overwhelmingly voting to pass a resolution allowing the President specific powers in conducting a "War on Terror". Once they did that, they became just as accountable as he is. Remember, Dems and Repubs alike voted for it. Once they gave him authorization, he doesn't have to ask for permission for anything from them for anything. It's referred to as ENUMERATED POWERS, and is specifically stated in the Constitution. Maybe you should try reading it sometime...

Couldn't have said it better myself. and just to add, every president has lied to the American Public. you need to lie to get elected, that's how you get elected, you set high goals that sound really good and you don't say how you're going to do it or pay for it, it's all fluff.

[RobTek]

"Call Congress Today for Impeachment"

I always laugh when I see that...I know a lot of people dislike President Bush...some Hate him...but one thing that he hasn't done is committed a crime...he has done nothing that will convict him. I mean sure, even I (A bush supporter, which automatically makes me a right wing war monger who is brainwashed, hates illegal immigrants, doesn't believe that humans are causing global warming and would rather ride the giant wave than stop it [like we could if we wanted to], clapped when Saddam hung like yesterdays laundry, and laughed when Nancy's first attempt at change fell flat on it's ass) Well, so what? You got a ****** problem with that??? Practice what you preach, respect my opinions!!! :laught01:

I just thought that that sounded funny, anywho...ehhh, he didn't do anything illegal, sure, a lot of you hated what he did....but, you can't impeach someone just because you don't like him...doesn't work that way...so...and if it comes up or has....It's not going to be payback for Clinton, Clinton was impeached for lying under oath...not for getting a blowjob...he should have...that bitch was uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuugggglllllyyyy...

Of course, those are my opinions, I could be wrong.


If sentencing hundreds and thousands of people (American Troops) to certain death isnt a crime.

If capitalizing off of the destruction of the very country in which he is running is not a crime.

Then I guess I can go and shoot any moron and not get arrested, tried, sentenced, and death row for it.

Bush has committed more crimes then one can fathom. Now whether or not you choose to open your eyes and see the "truth" or close your eyes, and deny that anything has ever happened, that is your choice. Bottom line, Bush is as guilty for many crimes. The only person on the planet that he can be on a social level with and know exactly what is going on is OJ Simpson.

[RobTek]

I can't tell if you are a socialist, or a libertarian...both of whom I think are crazy. What you're describing is basically the worst condition that ones country can be in...maybe it will be cool for a little while...but, when you start running out of food, water, your electricity starts to go out because the government regulated businesses that managed those utilities have now been disbanded. Nobody wants to do it anymore, and then you start fighting amongst yourselves, because you realize that destroying the government might not have been the best idea in the world. So, either...you'll be living in a country of ruins, or a single person will come in with his army, a whole lot of money and take over the country and it will become a dictatorship...it goes on...so...you can have fun with that idea of this Karl Marx dream of yours, but, it’s not going to happen.


I like your thinking. I call myself a Socialist. Many say, when I dress the part I have an Identical resemblence to Anton LaVey. Now Do I think we should go forward with absolutely no Govt. NO! I know more then you can fathom the outcome of total Anarchy, however. If I had to choose Anarchy over the lovely wonderful Gov't we currently have Id choose Anarchy.

And yes I work for the this Gov't. And saying they dont know their asses from their elbows is being very very nice. The fucking Gov't never learned what each part was so I dont expect them to move forward and try to figure it out. What I do know, is this jackass hillbilly in office now, has caused 3 of my best friends to get killed in Iraq. Has my brother in law (that was just discharged after serving his 6 year term) being called back to do another Tour. This is a guy who immediately after getting out, went to the FBI academy graduated, no sooner got back home to his wife that day, was called to be in Virginia and ready to ship out the next day.

I dont give a fuck who you think you might have been in one life or another If someone finished, was Honorably Discharged, and was motivated enough to do what my Brother in law, you dont have a god damn right on the planet to do what "MR FUCKING FAGGOTY PRESIDENT BUSH" did, and have him shipped back to Iraq. You can insult me on this board all you want. I dont give a fuck. You can IM me on any of the messengers, and I wont give a fuck. You can call my phone and talk your mind, I wont give fuck. God help you if you try and voice that shitty ass opinion you have to my face. Ill hand you your throat after it was nicely chewed for a few minutes. Thats the attitude America should have had, 9/12. We should have never sent 1 soldier to that soil. Our immediate response, should have been the biggest fucking nuke, the world has ever seen and turned that barren wasteland into fucking glass. A culture that has been at war with themselves for centuries, would have been totally annihilated. And yes, this is my truthful fucking opinion. And yes the outcome of all of this you ask? Well, these jackass' would not be at war anymore, they'd all be dead, we wouldnt ever hear of "Allah" anymore, b/c well when a culture dies, its religion goes with it, and the world would be a better place!!!

Yes Im ignorant for thinking like this. Why? Again, I lost 4 fellow fire fighters on 9/11 that were on the 87th floor of the South Tower when they came down, and noone has heard from them since. They were doing their everyday business, and died b/c a grp of jackass morons thought some idiot named allah told them to do it, and the US Gov't knew about it years before it was going to happen, and didnt do a god damn thing about it.

Thats why I think the way I do. Thats why I think Polotics is a joke, and that is why I say, that anyone that gets involved into polotics like you 2 sound like you are, really need to step back and reanalyze your life and how your moving forward in life. Its a waste of time, and bunch of bullshit. Im done in this fucking forum.

[Filmpro101]

If sentencing hundreds and thousands of people (American Troops) to certain death isn’t a crime.

If capitalizing off of the destruction of the very country in which he is running is not a crime.

Then I guess I can go and shoot any moron and not get arrested, tried, sentenced, and death row for it.

Bush has committed more crimes then one can fathom. Now whether or not you choose to open your eyes and see the "truth" or close your eyes, and deny that anything has ever happened, that is your choice. Bottom line, Bush is as guilty for many crimes. The only person on the planet that he can be on a social level with and know exactly what is going on is OJ Simpson.

Rob, he needs to commit actual crimes against the Constitution. What you say he is guilty of is making bad decisions and/or decisions that conflict with your/other people’s views.

I like your thinking. I call myself a Socialist. Many say, when I dress the part I have an Identical resemblence to Anton LaVey. Now Do I think we should go forward with absolutely no Govt. NO! I know more then you can fathom the outcome of total Anarchy, however. If I had to choose Anarchy over the lovely wonderful Gov't we currently have Id choose Anarchy.

And yes I work for the this Gov't. And saying they dont know their asses from their elbows is being very very nice. The fucking Gov't never learned what each part was so I dont expect them to move forward and try to figure it out. What I do know, is this jackass hillbilly in office now, has caused 3 of my best friends to get killed in Iraq. Has my brother in law (that was just discharged after serving his 6 year term) being called back to do another Tour. This is a guy who immediately after getting out, went to the FBI academy graduated, no sooner got back home to his wife that day, was called to be in Virginia and ready to ship out the next day.

I dont give a fuck who you think you might have been in one life or another If someone finished, was Honorably Discharged, and was motivated enough to do what my Brother in law, you dont have a god damn right on the planet to do what "MR FUCKING FAGGOTY PRESIDENT BUSH" did, and have him shipped back to Iraq. You can insult me on this board all you want. I dont give a fuck. You can IM me on any of the messengers, and I wont give a fuck. You can call my phone and talk your mind, I wont give fuck. God help you if you try and voice that shitty ass opinion you have to my face. Ill hand you your throat after it was nicely chewed for a few minutes. Thats the attitude America should have had, 9/12. We should have never sent 1 soldier to that soil. Our immediate response, should have been the biggest fucking nuke, the world has ever seen and turned that barren wasteland into fucking glass. A culture that has been at war with themselves for centuries, would have been totally annihilated. And yes, this is my truthful fucking opinion. And yes the outcome of all of this you ask? Well, these jackass' would not be at war anymore, they'd all be dead, we wouldnt ever hear of "Allah" anymore, b/c well when a culture dies, its religion goes with it, and the world would be a better place!!!

Yes Im ignorant for thinking like this. Why? Again, I lost 4 fellow fire fighters on 9/11 that were on the 87th floor of the South Tower when they came down, and noone has heard from them since. They were doing their everyday business, and died b/c a grp of jackass morons thought some idiot named allah told them to do it, and the US Gov't knew about it years before it was going to happen, and didnt do a god damn thing about it.

Thats why I think the way I do. Thats why I think Polotics is a joke, and that is why I say, that anyone that gets involved into polotics like you 2 sound like you are, really need to step back and reanalyze your life and how your moving forward in life. Its a waste of time, and bunch of bullshit. Im done in this fucking forum.


Well, that was...interesting...to say the least...

Bush didn't kill your friends Rob...some fucktard, probably wearing a towel on top of their head killed them. And Bush didn't kill your friends in the tower either...it was some fucktard ten thousand miles away that hates America that sent his brainwashed brothers on their quest. Bush didn't let it happen, America didn't let it happen, it just happened. It happened because it's impossible to protect everything to the fullest at any given moment...If someone wants to do something that badly, they'll do it, and they have been trying to do it ever since the 70's. If you want to believe that your friends died because Bush 'let it happen' so it might give you closure, then fine...you do that. But it seems to me that it isn't doing you any bit of good, in fact, it seems that it's doing the opposite...and please, don't bark threats at me...

God help you if you try and voice that shitty ass opinion you have to my face. Ill hand you your throat after it was nicely chewed for a few minutes.

It just truly shows your thought process when you resort to threats...alright, I didn't resort to threats...that helps nobody.

anyone that gets involved into polotics like you 2 sound like you are, really need to step back and reanalyze your life and how your moving forward in life. Its a waste of time, and bunch of bullshit.

Don't look now Rob, but you're becoming political...and no, you don't need to worry about me going into politics...why?...because you have showed me what has happened to yourself because of politics...not trying to be demeaning in any way, but it just seems that you have become extremely angry and bitter towards government in general...which helps nothing and nobody, it doesn't change anything...and the only thing that it does is drive one person closer to the edge, yourself. You stand center stage and yell at the top of your lungs only to realize that no one is looking...so you yell louder and louder and louder. Until you’ve yelled so loud that you can’t yell anymore...and if someone does listen...what will they do? Will they say sorry? Will that change it all? Will it bring your friends back? Will it get Bush imprisoned? No...You will do nothing but torment yourself.

But that’s just my opinion, I could be wrong.

Is There Anybody...Out There????

[RobTek]

Are you that blind to not see that Bush is the reason, the US is about to have Korea, and the Middle East, and the Veitnamese and Japan and Germany attempt to march on top of us, and launch nukes at us?

The attempt to tbe peaceful is over. Bush fucked it up for all the Americans. He sold us out to the Terrorists. He sold us out for his own financial gain, and your sitting going "Now, that was unreasonable dont you think, rather then press the issue that Bush has not actually committed a crime,..." blah blah fucking blah.

Open your eyes man.

Look,...
Clinton Fucked Up
Bush fucked up even more, and ran and hid.
Now they need someone to clean it all up.
Well the future does hold a spot for a Black President, but its not his time yet. I hate to say this but Hilary will win the election. She'll be forced to clean up Bush's mess, and she'll fail miserably. Then After her VP is done, OBama will win, and that is when this country will start to straighten up.

There is not one positive anyone on this planet can say about Bush.

Lets see Florida got destroyed by 4 back to back hurricanes. What did Bush do? Operation Blue roof, Red Cross, FEMA.

New Orleans gets hit by 1 Hurricane, and what does bush do. Spend Billions repairing the place, and just any repair he spent the billions, making it an exact duplicated hell hole of a ghetto it already was.

Now back to Florida, 4-5 years have past, New Orleand is back up and running, people have places to live, food to eat, places to work. Florida still has blue roof's on houses b/c the state canceld 80% of the peoples insurance, declaring bankruptcy, and leaving the people stranded with no place to go, no home, no food. But you dont see banners, or compaigns for Hurricane Charley, Jeanne, Ivan, Frances Relief fund. NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO but I can give you 20+ sites that have Hurricane Katrina relief shit. and I can give you locations of at least 30 different billboards for the exact same shit. WTF is that all about, with your sacred President Bush.

Bush is a liar, a thief, a cheat, a heartles egotistical "im gonna go lick my daddies anus so he can bail me out of shit again" jackass.

Bush couldnt get dressed in the morning without his dad. Bush would have never won the election without his dad. Bush couldnt keep his football team alive that his daddy bought for him. Bush fucked up a whole damn oil rig that his daddy bought him.


See the trend here yet? See the track record.

Bush = FUCK UP! No matter what he does, where he is, what he says, HE's a FUCK UP! And the ignorants want to keep him in office. Im fucking peachy keen that he's almost out of office, Im really peachy keen that its gonna be soon, and I hope he gets cancer, and during one of his kemo sessions he retracts HIV from a dirty needle and he passes it on to his entire family with his last kiss to them all as he dies a miserable, and painful death, that is what he deserves, that is what his family deserves, and that would make everyone on this planet very very happy. Oh with the 2 exceptions of you 2.

[Filmpro101]

Are you that blind to not see that Bush is the reason, the US is about to have Korea, and the Middle East, and the Veitnamese and Japan and Germany attempt to march on top of us, and launch nukes at us?

The attempt to tbe peaceful is over. Bush fucked it up for all the Americans. He sold us out to the Terrorists. He sold us out for his own financial gain, and your sitting going "Now, that was unreasonable dont you think, rather then press the issue that Bush has not actually committed a crime,..." blah blah fucking blah.

Open your eyes man.

Look,...
Clinton Fucked Up
Bush fucked up even more, and ran and hid.
Now they need someone to clean it all up.
Well the future does hold a spot for a Black President, but its not his time yet. I hate to say this but Hilary will win the election. She'll be forced to clean up Bush's mess, and she'll fail miserably. Then After her VP is done, OBama will win, and that is when this country will start to straighten up.

There is not one positive anyone on this planet can say about Bush.

Lets see Florida got destroyed by 4 back to back hurricanes. What did Bush do? Operation Blue roof, Red Cross, FEMA.

New Orleans gets hit by 1 Hurricane, and what does bush do. Spend Billions repairing the place, and just any repair he spent the billions, making it an exact duplicated hell hole of a ghetto it already was.

Now back to Florida, 4-5 years have past, New Orleand is back up and running, people have places to live, food to eat, places to work. Florida still has blue roof's on houses b/c the state canceld 80% of the peoples insurance, declaring bankruptcy, and leaving the people stranded with no place to go, no home, no food. But you dont see banners, or compaigns for Hurricane Charley, Jeanne, Ivan, Frances Relief fund. NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO but I can give you 20+ sites that have Hurricane Katrina relief shit. and I can give you locations of at least 30 different billboards for the exact same shit. WTF is that all about, with your sacred President Bush.

Bush is a liar, a thief, a cheat, a heartles egotistical "im gonna go lick my daddies anus so he can bail me out of shit again" jackass.

Bush couldnt get dressed in the morning without his dad. Bush would have never won the election without his dad. Bush couldnt keep his football team alive that his daddy bought for him. Bush fucked up a whole damn oil rig that his daddy bought him.


See the trend here yet? See the track record.

Bush = FUCK UP! No matter what he does, where he is, what he says, HE's a FUCK UP! And the ignorants want to keep him in office. Im fucking peachy keen that he's almost out of office, Im really peachy keen that its gonna be soon, and I hope he gets cancer, and during one of his kemo sessions he retracts HIV from a dirty needle and he passes it on to his entire family with his last kiss to them all as he dies a miserable, and painful death, that is what he deserves, that is what his family deserves, and that would make everyone on this planet very very happy. Oh with the 2 exceptions of you 2.

I thought you didn't want to come back out here again? Something about...you were done with this fucking board, any of that ring a bell?

I refute your 'impeach bush' statement, you spin off on a government less society...Okay....Then I refute that by the law of common sense...Then you spin off on 9/11 and Iraq and play the friends in Iraq card...I've got that card to, but instead of playing it every five minutes, I have it laminated and it hangs on my wall....then I refute your opinion on myself....Then you spin off of Hurricanes and how a black president can save all of us...But not right now....??????....what's the difference with the black president? Why can't a white president save us?
I hope he gets cancer, and during one of his kemo sessions he retracts HIV from a dirty needle and he passes it on to his entire family with his last kiss to them all as he dies a miserable, and painful death, that is what he deserves, that is what his family deserves, and that would make everyone on this planet very very happy. Oh with the 2 exceptions of you 2.

That's a great outlook....really is, ohh and uhh, by the way, you can't pass HIV nor AIDS nor Cancer through a kiss...just thought you should know that. I guess that pretty much fucks up that plan.

Anyway...I'm not going to argue with you anymore, because you constantly resort to things that have no bearing to the prior conversation, and on top of that...you can't seem to not get personal...and unlike yourself, I'll actually keep my word.

Okay Bye-Bye.

[okmister1]

I keep hearing people say the Bush is profiting off of the war and such. I'd like to see them back it up. His financials are available online if you care to look. His money is invested in a few retirment funds and such. He doesn't own oil companies.

[__ChAnDLeR__]

i have one for you impeaching peeps! what president was never elected? Gerald Ford! the Vice president under the Impaeched Richard Nixon! think of this lets say the impeaching process begins.. which in the case of bill clinton and richard nixon it was one man on the stand for impeachment .. was al gore included on bill's? nope so let's say Clinton was impeached ..guess who becomes president then? Al Gore! then if needs further to go the next one is the speaker of the house ( i think) becomes the next to become president ( all before next election) then that leave at that time Newt! okay back to today.. if G.W. Bush was Impeached, guess who is swore in to fill his shoes? Chenny! aha! is the evil vice Prez Chenny the mastermind of the whole Conservative New World Order? as Liberal-conspiracy theorist contend? Bush impeached = Chenny swore in as the New President until the next election just like Gerald ford was swore in after Nixon was impeached on watergate charges.. think about that, those in congress against G.W. Bush aren't that stupid to go as far as impeach Bush so the Vice President can be made President of the United States! har-har.. hardy har-har!

[akronohiotard]

get the heck over it..bush and co. will never be impeached..why bother anyway ? 10 months and he's gone...