And So It Continues...

[RavenNeverMore]

Okay, so November has come and gone, and "the voice of the people" has spoken. Right?? Not so fast, my friends. There could be a snag in the proverbial fabric of our most recent presidential election. It seems that there is an issue with the birth certificate of our President-elect. For whatever reason, no one, as yet, has been able to fully certify the authenticity of Barack Obama's place of birth. This 'little' detail may keep him from occupying the White House. Yes, it is true. IF there is no way to fully certify that Obama was indeed born in this country, then by the Articles of the Constitution of the United States, he may NOT be sworn in as President of the United States. I know, for those people out there that voted for him, this might seem a bit on the "details/schmetails" side. However, our founding fathers, in their infinite wisdom, decided that in order to become President, you MUST be a naturalized citizen of this country. Just being a "citizen" is not enough.
So, the 'show' goes on as republicans and democrats continue their struggle for ultimate power of our great land. To be honest, it is all starting to resemble some form of hideously melodramatic soap-opera to me.

Oh yeah! There is one more piece of information I have been hearing in some news circles. I have also heard that the are people out there that have as much stated that should Barack Obama be kept from "his rightful place" in the White House, there WILL be nationwide riots in protest. Hmmmmmm, well my suggestion to Mr. Obama would be to somehow find a way to verify his his birth certificate and avoid all of the unpleasantries of being the first man voted to the Presidency to not actually occupy the office....

[mumblez]

i found this article (http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html)about a week a go. Not sure if its legit or not.

[RavenNeverMore]

i found this article (http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html)about a week a go. Not sure if its legit or not.

Thanks Mumz! To be honest, I admit I didn't vote for the man, but I am willing to concede his victory and at least give him a chance to prove he has what it takes. I am admittedly skeptical, but whatever. I guess my whole point in posting this thread is to point out how ridiculous people, on both sides of the issue can get. There are those people out there that will find anything and everything to try and stop what has already been set into motion; while at the same time there are those who feel themselves so disenfranchised from mainstream society that they see this whole thing as some kind of vindication for some misguided sense of wrong that has been done to them.

Have we, as a nation, become so divergent that a tangible rift has now separated us from eachother? Does anyone out there remember, "...one nation, under God, INDIVISIBLE..."???

[psychiria]

Obama has the drive and the ideology to become one of the most celebrated US presidents.

Sadly, the US isn't going to let it happen. He's already quietly dropped two of his election pledges and he hasn't even been sworn in yet. One of them was the promise to levy a profits windfall tax on oil companies - already we have evidence that even a man with the best intentions can be undermined by the corporations and lobbies that shape the USA.

[JimDandy]

Obama has the drive and the ideology to become one of the most celebrated US presidents.

Sadly, the US isn't going to let it happen. He's already quietly dropped two of his election pledges and he hasn't even been sworn in yet. One of them was the promise to levy a profits windfall tax on oil companies - already we have evidence that even a man with the best intentions can be undermined by the corporations and lobbies that shape the USA.

Hmmm.

Interesting.

Obama has, after the election but before being sworn in, dropped two of his campaign pedges . . . . .and you blame it on the lobbyists.

Weren't those the people he said would have no say in his administration?

Please, if this is the case - I haven't read that it is, just basing on what you said - then please, put the blame where it belongs - on Obama. He made promises, and he's breaking them.

End of conversation.

[psychiria]

Hmmm.

Interesting.

Obama has, after the election but before being sworn in, dropped two of his campaign pedges . . . . .and you blame it on the lobbyists.

Weren't those the people he said would have no say in his administration?

Please, if this is the case - I haven't read that it is, just basing on what you said - then please, put the blame where it belongs - on Obama. He made promises, and he's breaking them.

End of conversation.


His spokespeople say he's dropped the promise because the price of oil has tailed off since he made it.

And yes, these lobbyists are the very same people Obama insisted would have no say in his administration. Anyone who actually believed that doesn't deserve to have a vote. Every administration from time immemorial has been affected by lobbyists; not just in the US but in the UK, Europe and Worldwide, even going back to Feudal times when the King had to rely on support from his Barons to stay in power.

What makes Obama any different? Do you expect him to swagger up to the lobbyists and say "Sorry chaps, I've decided you don't have any say over my administration. It'd be much appreciated if you'd withdraw your threats to cut your ties with the government unless I act in your interests".

Don't get me wrong, I'm not one of those hippies who whine on about "The corporations", but I'm not an idiot either. Personally I didn't buy Obama's rhetoric and, had I been allowed a vote, I would have most likely gone for McCain. But come on, I very much doubt Obama would start breaking key election promises unless there was something going on behind the scenes he couldn't control.

Wake up.

[JimDandy]

And yet you say he has the drive and ideology to become one of the most celebrated US Presidents ever.

I know lobbyists give a ton of money to politicians, and that Washington would likely shut down without them. I'm not THAT naive.

But - the bottom line is, Obama made a LOT of promises during hsi campaign, while offering very few specifics about how he would accomplish them. As an example, his tax program (giving tax cuts to 95% of Americans, remember that?) was going to be offset, at least in part, by his windfall tax idea on the oil companies.

Now - putting aside whether the windfall tax idea was warranted or not - that's not the discussion here - he's now scrapped one of the big ways he was going to offset his tax plan - and the man can't even blame it on being unable to pass the bill due to Republican obstructionism or anything - no, it's scrapped because he's allowed lobbyists to influence his thinking, which he PROMISED he would not do.

Obama was annointed the golden child - the country was HUGELY anti-republican, and many people would likely have voted for a corpse if it was the democratic nominee. he got away with a lot of vague, questionable promises duiring his campaign, with few hard looks at his proposed plans, and charges of partianship against those who DID try to point out flaws.

Bush has been villified for promises he's broken - McCain was attacked during his campaign for promises he's broken, and for promises people said he wouldn't be able to keep. McCain was attacked for his 'ties' to lobbyists, in spite of his record of fighting pork and lobbyists.

Now Obama is, apparently, subject to the exact thing he claimed he would not be subject to, he has already broken his promises - and as I said, he's not yet in office - and he should be attacked and called on the carpet for it, NOT given a pass because, hey, lobbyits have so much power.

Clearly, Obama is NOT to independent, care only about the people man he claimed he was.

[psychiria]

It's hard to blame any politician for breaking financial promises in a time like this. The World economy is in turmoil, and it's likely that Obama made the promise in question up to a year ago, when nobody would have dared to dream things would get as bad as they have. He'll have trouble fulfilling his proposed tax cut now, but that's the nature of the beast. Find me a politician who was well regarded in his own time and I'll find you a pig with wings.

I'm with you on the general woolly nature of his pledges though. All I heard from him during his campaign was endless promises for "Change", very few specifics or even genuine policies.

To be honest he could do a lot worse than sending $1 in loose change to every US citizen, then he wouldn't technically have broken any election promises.

[stumble97]

I have said it before, what intelligent person would ever want to be President? But we get what we have to choose from. Now lets see what happens come Jan 20 and after. I only hope that in 4 years I can say i was wrong.

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